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    Nov 2nd follow up info

    Nov 8th 2021

    Hi Folks

    Thanks for a good meeting last week. There were a couple of items I promised to forward.

    Here is the youtube video on hydrogen YouTube on hydrogen   It is 56 minutes long, but not technically challenging.

    As always another view point is useful. Here is another video about hydrogen in transportation, primarily looking at the Toyota Mirai in California. Hydrogen cars – the Toyota Mirai

    I found the first link by subscribing to emails from Ed Perry, (recommended by Steve Piragis) Ed’s emails are short and infrequent, but often are gems. You can subscribe by sending an email to him at <>.

    This week’s Tuesday Group should be on interest to climate group members. “Transition Towns” Here is the info from Lacey at TG:  “We’ll be hearing about the Transition Towns movement and local responses to climate change. Visitors from St. Anthony Park, a St. Paul neighborhood, will show how their community is fostering a transition from fossil-fueled systems to more sustainable ways of life. Transition Town – All St. Anthony Park ( is part of a worldwide network of communities that are thinking globally and collaborating locally to mitigate climate change and adapt to its effects. Their motto: Smaller footprint, stronger community.”

    Finally Jodi sends us information about a webinar at noon Weds Nov 10th by Kenny Blumenfeld at the MN State Climatology Office. Here are the instructions:

    If you are new to the Water Exchange series, here’s all you need to know – they are free webinars hosted by the MPCA’s Citizen Water Monitoring Program that take place over the lunch hour. Anyone can log-in and listen to water quality related presentations and get their questions answered. No need to pre-register. Just follow the link and log-in instructions included in this email.

    You can join the Water Exchange webinar in one of two ways: 1). online via WebEx or 2). phone only via conference call line. Choose the option that works best for you and follow the instructions below on November 10th:

     Join the meeting through WebEx – WebEx is a free teleconference system that will serve as the platform for the meeting. You don’t need to download anything to your computer and you don’t need a membership. Simply follow the instructions below to join the meeting:

    WebEx Meeting Log In Instructions:

    1. Click this link to launch the meeting in your internet browser: join the meeting
    2. Enter your name & email address
    3. Click the green “Join Now” button
    4. Cisco WebEx Meeting Center will open in a new window and your name will appear as a “Participant” on the right side of the screen
    5. An “Audio Connection” box will appear in the center-left of your screen. You can choose the “Call Me” option (enter your phone number and click the “Call Me” button) or connect via audio on your computer.





    Nov 2nd 2021 Meeting

    Oct 28th 2021


    Hi Folks


    Our next meeting will be Nov 2nd at 10am in the Senior Center. There is a lot to discuss. The news is full of climate issues with the start of the big meeting in Scotland and difficult negotiations on Biden’s “Build Back Better” plan. In addition we skipped discussing the IPCC’s Assessment Review 6, an important document.

    Starting with Biden’s plan – what is in it seems to change every day. The link below gives the status today, but stay tuned. Some serious compromises have been made including dropping the Clean Electricity Performance Program which was a significant part of greenhouse gas reductions in the original $3.5B plan. Biden would like to claim some progress in Scotland as the many nations renegotiate their plans to reduce greenhouse gases.

    Here is a link to the current state of negotiations: Whitehouse Briefing Room Oct 28th


    There are many articles written about the upcoming COP26 in Glasgow. This is the most important climate meeting since Paris in 2015. It runs from Nov 1st to Nov 12th One useful link from the NY Times is a resource full of goodies. When you have time browse (or subscribe) here:   NY Times Climate Forward Oct 27th


    Earlier this year the IPCC’s Assessment Review 6 (AR6) was released. The full report is almost 4000 pages. On a more realistic scale here is a 42 page summary labelled “For Policy Makers”. Even here you don’t need to read all the blurb. It does have the most relevant diagrams with explanations.  IPCC Assmt Rev 6 Summary for Policy Makers

    A much shorter alternative that is easier to absorb is this BBC summary  BBC review of AR6


    Happy reading

    Hope to see you Nov 2nd



    Sept 14th Tuesday Group “Line 3, Oil and Climate”

    Line 3, Oil and Climate Sept 14th 2021

    September 7th Meeting

    Jeff Hanson told us about some regenerative agricultural techniques that improve soil fertility and enhance the soil’s carbon storage. The use of cover crops and low till practices also reduces the need for pest control. The sale of carbon offsets rewards the farmer.

    August 3rd Meeting with Jessica Hellmann, U Minn

    Jessica is Director of the U Minnesota’s Institute of the Environment. She covered many aspects of our climate problem and its solutions.

    July 6th Meeting with Roger Skraba, Ely mayoral candidate

    Roger discussed his ideas for Ely if he is elected.

    June 8th Meeting with Heidi Omerza, Ely mayoral candidate

    Heidi discussed her ideas for Ely and what she would attempt to do as mayor if elected. Ely is a GreenStep city but has not taken any recent actions in that program.

    Ranae Hanson book launch zoom May 18th 7pm

    Gerry Snyder’s article on hydrogen uses TimberJay 4/23/2021

    ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET         Gerry Snyder

     April 23rd 2021      Published in the TimberJay, Ely MN

    The New York Times headlines declared, “Auto Industry Bets its Future on Batteries.’ The newspaper could have accurately said, “The Biden Administration Bets its Future on Batteries.” According to recent reports, the Administration’s multi-trillion dollar proposed infrastructure bill has extensive incentives for consumers and manufacturers to market battery-powered forms of transportation. Has the administration given consideration of the danger of having our transport system dependent on a national electricity grid? Has it considered the detrimental impact on our environment? Has it considered the possible increase in unemployment? Has it considered the impact on our military logistics? Has it realistically considered alternative power sources?


    Encouraged by the Administration, manufacturers are taking action to convert their power products from using fossil fuels to plug-in electricity power. This massive transfer of energy requirement will be solely dependent on our national electric grid network. The system will need upgrading and significant additional power plant capacity to supply electricity to the 250 million vehicles (re NYT) in the U.S. plus trucks, buses, trains, equipment for farming, mining, road building and industrial operations.

    The grid system will always be vulnerable to breakdowns in part or in whole due to severe weather conditions, equipment failure, or sabotage which will expose a large number of people to a variety of risks when not if, blackouts occur. When a large area of the country is blacked out for a few days or more, cars, buses, ambulances, fire equipment, delivery trucks, heavy equipment will be helpful only to the extent of what electricity is left from their last battery charge. The half million new charging stations which the legislation proposes (almost four times the present number of U.S. gas stations) will not have electricity to recharge their batteries in those areas of a blackout.

    The United States should not put all of its “eggs” in one basket i.e., transportation, lighting, heating and electric power systems all of which would depend on the grid.


    Hydrogen fuel power is a viable alternative to the overloading of the national electrical grid and appears to get only token funding from the legislation. Its viability is not a theory. It is a reality. California already has 7,500 hydrogen vehicles on the road. Other applications of hydrogen power are in use or in testing stage for school and municipal buses, trucks of all sizes, light and heavy equipment, trains, and ships. The Economist reported that Airbus anticipates new large passenger jets will be powered by hydrogen fuel. Stationary hydrogen fuel power is used for buildings and factories.

    Hydrogen is limitless. It is the most abundant resource in the universe. Hydrogen cells can store immense amounts of energy, far more than today’s batteries can hold and it’s scalable. Proton exchange electrolysis can economically separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and it does not emit harmful emissions, Green hydrogen is developed using renewable power sources such as wind, solar, hydro power and geothermal to produce green hydrogen.

    Saudi Arabia is building a huge green hydrogen plant on the banks of the Red Sea. The plant will be powered solely by wind and solar to make green fuel for export and reduce its country’s dependence on petrodollars. The plant will operate without polluting.


    The raw materials for batteries include components that are mined from the earth and require a smelting process to extract metals. The process uses heat and a chemical reducing agent to decompose the one and leave the metal. Smelting has serious detrimental effects on the environment, producing wastewater, slag and vapors discharged into the atmosphere. The gases released are from copper, silver, iron, cobalt, selenium and sulfur. The impact of these detrimental emissions is of worldwide concern, not just local. All the venting becomes part of the Earth’s canopy of greenhouse gases.

    The manufacturing of batteries is dependent on minerals primarily mined in China, and consequently, is subject to the vicissitudes of trade uncertainties. Since the electrical energy in batteries continuously deteriorate, it limits the ability to stockpile them which is a critical concern for military preparedness. Moreover, “dead” batteries are not fully recyclable. Charging batteries can take a long time, sometimes longer than an hour depending on the “level of the charging rate and cannot be serviced in gasoline stations due to lack of space. So, the proposed legislation plan is to financially support an estimated half million charging stations. (That is almost four times the present number of gas stations. The country’s total proposed charging stations will require a minimum of one million acres of concrete or asphalt to accommodate cars plus buses, RVs, and trucks many of which will have large batteries requiring increased time in the charging stations to recharge their batteries. Batteries are heavy and can weigh as much as 12,000 to 15,000 pounds for a long-haul Class 8 truck representing a lot of environmental degradation.

    Batteries generally have shorter driving range than hydrogen fuels and performance is affected by extreme temperature changes. Their capacity deteriorates over varying periods of time whether the battery is used or not.


    A fuel cell system running on hydrogen is compact and having no major moving parts or combustion, results in an extremely high reliability and experiences little or no downtime. Hydrogen fuel does not emit harmful pollution, zero, only pure water vapor.

    In addition to supplying power to transportation components, hydrogen facilities can “store” its electricity in a tank, unlike storing wind and solar energy that accommodate peak demands using mega batteries. Battery power degrades over time whether or not the battery is being used. In addition, battery performance is further eroded when subjected to severe weather changes and has a terminal life.


    Bulk hydrogen can be transported by trucks, ships, rail or pipelines, according to The Wall Street Journal (which is important for military usage.) The United States has three million miles of pipelines some of which can be retrofitted to carry hydrogen. With expectation of a decline of fossil fuels, pipeline companies would welcome an alternative. With 128,000 gas retail service stations looking to replace declining gasoline consumption, hydrogen dispensing pumps could be substituted. This hydrogen will have storage tanks to meet their regular service needs and the pumps can be operated by hydrogen in periods of blackouts. The pumps are about the same size as the current gasoline pumps and take the same amount or time to fill a tank as gasoline.


    Hydrogen is contained in liquid form in thick-walled tanks. According to auto manufacturer BMW, “Hydrogen is flammable, but an uncontrolled reaction of hydrogen and oxygen in the operation of a fuel is virtually impossible. Numerous crash tests have confirmed the safety of hydrogen cars. We should not forget hydrogen technology is not new but is tried and tested in a range of fields. Hydrogen pipelines and storage facilities have been in operation for decades.” Other car manufacturers that have hydrogen test cars on the road, not in the lab, are Toyota, Renault, Honda, Mercedes and Hyundai.


    Hydrogen fuel cell cars produce electricity themselves. In essence, they have their efficient power plant and electric motor on board. The fuel cell technology is reverse electrolysis by which the hydrogen from vehicles tanks reacts with oxygen coming from an ambient air intake to create electrical energy. The energy is transferred by electric wire to an electric motor that powers the wheels. The only emission takes the form of pure water vapor. The vehicles can also recapture braking energy which converts into electrical energy.

    The bottom line is that it appears that the Biden Administration is allocating a disproportion of its resources to battery driven transportation to the deterrent of the advantages of hydrogen transportation and does not address the issue of the major increased dependence on the national grid.


    1. The United States should not be entirely dependent on our national electric grid with no alternative form of energy.
    2.  Hydrogen electricity should be developed.
    3. The 128,000 gasoline stations will be deprived of their prime source of revenue, creating unemployment and triggering bankruptcies.
    4. If the national grid is partly or entirely shut down, the lack of electricity after local batteries die may cause civil unrest.
    5. The United States military cannot stockpile batteries because their energy deteriorates over time and the uncertainties of China being the predominate source of raw materials for manufacturing batteries
    6. The mining of raw materials batteries is detrimental to our world’s environment.

    Gerry Snyder
    Ely, MN


    Elton Brown letter TimberJay 4/9/2021

    Climate change makes mining more hazardous, too

    Elton Brown

    Letter to the Editor

    TimberJay April 9th 2021

    Two items in the New York Times about recent weather disasters caught my attention. The first explained why February’s severe arctic blast shut down the electrical grid in Texas, resulting in huge commercial and human losses: “The continent-spanning storms showed that American infrastructure wasn’t ready for climate change. Extreme weather is placing growing stress on a system that was built decades ago under the expectation that the environment around it would remain stable.”

    And, regarding Australia’s record-breaking flooding, following last year’s catastrophic wildfires, this analysis: “There is a very strong link between global warming and that intensification in rainfall,” said Andy Pitman, director of the ARC Center of Excellence for Climate Extremes at the University of New South Wales. “There’s good scientific evidence to say extreme rain is becoming more extreme due to global warming.” Australia’s conservative government – heavily resistant to aggressive action on climate change that might threaten the country’s fossil fuel industry – has yet to make that link.

    The Trump administration talked a lot about the need to update our country’s highways, bridges and water pipes – but kept kicking the can down the (crumbling) road. I am thankful that President Biden has made infrastructure a top priority and has proposed a serious, ambitious plan.

    What is increasingly obvious is that any new construction projects, whether public or private, must take into account the new normal of extreme weather events. Houses should no longer be built on flood plains nor ocean beach fronts. And, closer to home, any Environmental Impact Statement for a proposed mine should prove that the project can be done safely not just in average conditions but able to withstand our increasingly frequent “storms of the century.”

    For the foreseeable future, given this new unstable climate reality, the cost of building a
    copper-nickel mine which would assure protection of the BWCAW watershed from toxic, runoff, if even possible, would likely be prohibitive, canceling the company’s profit motive.

    Elton Brown
    Morse Twp.